Boundaryless Conversations Podcast

The Boundaryless Conversations Podcast is back with Season 4

The Boundaryless Conversations Podcast is the podcast where pioneers, thinkers, and entrepreneurs talk about the future of business models, organizations, markets, and society.
With Simone Cicero and Stina Heikkila (and other occasional co-hosts) you will explore the future of Platforms & Ecosystems and discover the newly emerging perspectives on how we organize at scale in a rapidly changing world.
The Boundaryless Conversations Podcast is for those who are trying to reinvent their organization and its business model, or just want to discover new ways to respond to the rapid changes we’re seeing in society. So, whether you are thinking of transforming your career or your business, this podcast will help you to understand how networks and emerging technologies reshape markets. 
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The Boundaryless Conversations Podcast is brought to you by Boundaryless, a pioneer in platform and ecosystem thinking that creates open design and strategic tools for reinventing business models, organizations, and society.
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Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/ 
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S3 Ep.20 Gigi Levy Weiss – Investing in Platforms today: Learning, Data drivenness, and Web3

A Founding Partner at NFX, Gigi heads up NFX Israel and is widely known as one of the most prolific investors in the region. Gigi has founded several startups, including Playtika, Beach Bum (acquired by Voodoo), InceptionVR and Ridge. He was also the CEO of 888 Holdings, one of the world's leading online gaming companies, and a Division President of Amdocs, a leading billing and CRM provider. In 2014, Gigi was appointed to Facebook's EMEA Client Advisory Council. In 2015 he joined the supervisory board at Bertelsmann, one of the world's largest media companies.
 
As a pilot in the Israeli Air Force, he learned the value of striving for excellence at all times, building learning organizations, and that working together as a team is the real secret to winning.
 
Tune in to this episode as we explore what other industries can learn from gaming companies, the four layers of the evolution of Web3 marketplaces, the existential role of technology - and why Web3 hasn't changed the world yet.
 
At the end of the episode, we give a short wrap-up of season 3 of the podcast - as this is the last episode for the season - and we focus on what we learned and what are the key topics, in the context of organizing at scale, that are on our minds. We cover the seemingly ramping importance of modularity and composability in markets - also check out this piece - https://boundaryless.io/blog/towards-modular-and-composable-markets/ - that captures some of the ideas - and some additional thoughts around the questions concerning our relationship with technology, adopting a regenerative mindset and convivial organizational models. 
 
A transcript of the episode can be found on our website:
 
Key highlights from the conversation
We discussed:
> What we can learn from the gaming industry in the context of platforms, ecosystems and marketplaces
> What it means to be a learning organization
> Designing products for people to engage in learning
> How Gigi approaches Web3 as an investor
> The role of centralized services in platforms
> Solving real-world challenges through the Web3
 
To find out more about Gigi's work:
> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gigilevy/
> Twitter: https://twitter.com/gigilevy
> NFX: https://www.nfx.com/
 
Other references and mentions:
> Fabrice Grinda and Matias Barbero, 'Crypto-Enabled Marketplaces', 2022: https://fabricegrinda.com/crypto-enabled-marketplaces/
> Showing the way with Web3 Marketplaces: Braintrust - with Gabriel Luna-Ostaseski: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/braintrust/
> Nathan Schneider, "Web3 Is the Opportunity We Have Had All Along: Innovation Amnesia and Economic Democracy": https://osf.io/2wg6s?view_only=709f1f87528943a4b27de2b5eb0f9eef
 
Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at 
https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/
 
Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music
 
Recorded on 20 July 2022.

S3 Ep.19 Sangeet Choudary – Composability beyond software: building ecosystemic portfolios

Sangeet Choudary is a returning guest to the show, and in this episode we unpack some key insights from his latest work – ‘The Building Blocks Thesis’. 
Sangeet Paul Choudary is the founder of Platformation Labs and the best-selling author of Platform Revolution and Platform Scale. He has advised the leadership of more than 30 of the Fortune 500 firms and has been selected as a Young Global Leader by the World Economic Forum. Sangeet's work on platforms has been selected by Harvard Business Review as one of the top 10 ideas in strategy and has been featured thrice in the HBR Top 10 Must Reads compilations. Sangeet is appointed to advisory boards and committees at several Global 2000 firms and government bodies, including the ING Group, the MAS's ASEAN Financial Innovation Network, Boson Protocol and Standard Bank Group, South Africa. Sangeet is a frequent keynote speaker at leading global forums including the G20 Summit, the World50 Summit, the United Nations, and the World Economic Forum.
In this episode as we delve into Sangeet's recent report - and despite it still being early days - how the building block approach can play out in the real world economy. We also discuss why the fundamentals in VC will change, the nature of composability, the role of DAOs and empowering the end-stakeholder.
A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website: boundaryless.io/podcast/sangeet-choudary/
Key highlights from the conversation
Markets evolve towards more composability as more and more of the value chain is digitized
Traditional extraction models (eg: economies of complements, data lock-ins, etc) are put in trouble
Value extraction will move at the venture investing and fund layers 
Organizations will need to embrace a more DAO-like structure and become more context-rich (3EO comes in handy).
 
To find out more about Sangeet's work:
> Twitter: twitter.com/sanguit> LinkedIn: sg.linkedin.com/in/sangeetpaul> Newsletter: platforms.substack.com/> Building Blocks Thesis: platformthinkinglabs.com/building-blocks/You can get an illustrated copy of the Web3 Bootstrapping Playbook, launching in September 2022. Sign up here to get early access to the playbook as soon as it releases: https://bit.ly/3oaRwaP 
Other references and mentions:
Ekstep Foundation: ekstep.org/
"Jack Dorsey says VCs really own Web3 (and Web3 boosters are pretty mad about it)", The Verge. December 2021: www.theverge.com/2021/12/21/22848…-capital-twitter
Re-bundling the Firm around Problems to Be Solved - with Sangeet Paul Choudary: boundaryless.io/podcast/sangeet-paul-choudary/
Building permissionless Ecosystems: Data and infrastructure at DIMO - with Rob Solomon: boundaryless.io/podcast/rob-solomon/
 
Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/
Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: boundaryless.io/podcast-music
Recorded on 9 June 2022.

S3 Ep. 18 Lisa Gill – Looking Beyond Teal

Lisa Gill is an organisational self-management coach and trainer with Tuff Leadership Training. She was included in the Thinkers50 Radar 2020 for her work with self-managing teams. Lisa is also the host of the Leadermorphosis podcast, for which she has interviewed thought leaders and practitioners from all over the world about the future of work, and the author of 'Moose Heads on the Table: Stories About Self-Managing Organisations from Sweden' (2020). 
 
Tune in to this episode as we discuss why the way we are working is not working. We reflect over new ways of working, the post-agile era of interrogating the ‘what’, the power of peer-led movements, some great new technologies that are emerging, and why we can’t ust solve things by systems or processes.
 
A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website:
 
 
Key highlights 
> Emerging trends in the world of organising and teams
> What are the emerging technologies that are informing the way we organise
> The need to identify your guiding principles when adopting new technologies
> What Lisa has learnt from working with new types of organisations
> The need to shift behaviours – not just systems
 
 
To find out more about Lisa’s work:
> Twitter: https://twitter.com/disruptandlearn 
> Website: https://www.reimaginaire.com/ 
> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisa-gill-23815a4/ 
> Leadermorphosis Podcast: ​​https://leadermorphosis.co/
> Lisa Gill, Moose Heads on the Table: Stories About Self-Managing Organisations from Sweden, 2020: https://www.amazon.com/Moose-Heads-Table-Karin-Tenelius/dp/9151954508/ 
 
Other references and mentions:
> Sensemaking Webinar #1 – Organizational Adaptation to the Changing Landscape: https://boundaryless.io/video/sensemaking-webinar-1-organizational-adaptation-to-the-changing-landscape/ 
> Enspiral: https://www.enspiral.com/
> Loomio: https://www.loomio.com/
> Cobudget: https://cobudget.com/
> Murmur: https://www.murmur.com/ 
> Maptio: https://www.maptio.com/
> Huddle Craft: https://www.huddlecraft.com/
> Money Movers: https://www.wearemoneymovers.com/
> Amy C. Edmondson, Teaming: How Organizations Learn, Innovate, and Compete in the Knowledge Economy, 2012: https://www.amazon.com/Teaming-Organizations-Innovate-Compete-Knowledge-ebook/dp/B007MF3BRA
> Matt Black Systems: https://www.mattblacksystems.com/
> James Dale Davidson and William Rees-Mogg, The Sovereign Individual: Mastering the Transition to the Information Age, 1999: https://www.amazon.com/Sovereign-Individual-Mastering-Transition-Information/dp/0684832720
> Saifedean Ammous, The Bitcoin Standard: The Decentralized Alternative to Central Banking, 2018: https://www.amazon.com/Bitcoin-Standard-Decentralized-Alternative-Central/dp/1119473861/
> Saifedean Ammous, The Fiat Standard: The Debt Slavery Alternative to Human Civilization, 2021: https://www.amazon.com/Fiat-Standard-Slavery-Alternative-Civilization/dp/1544526474
 
Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/
 
Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music
 
Recorded on 8 June 2022.

S3 Ep. 17 Trach – DAOs are Orgs: Moving at the speed of trust (in a trustless environment)

Today we're joined by Tracheopteryx - or Trach - Pioneer of decentralized governance, operations, and compensation systems. Trach is co-founder of Coordinape and previous contributor to yearn finance.
 
In this conversation, we delve into what DAOs are and why the future lies in this framework. We also talk about the connection between ownership and decision making, striving for a 'trustless' infrastructure, why we might not see companies like Apple or Google 'go DAO' soon, the role of six-person teams - and why everyone working on DAOs are in essence collaborating on a creating a greater pie.
 
A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/tracheopteryx/
 
Key highlights 
We discussed:
> What DAOs are and what key differences with corporate governance 
> Trustless mechanisms and the Blockchain
> How likely existing traditional players are to embrace DAOs
> What we mean by the word 'trustless'
> How non-developers can get involved with DAOs projects
 
To find out more about Trach’s work:
> Twitter: https://twitter.com/tracheopteryx 
> Website: https://coordinape.com/ 
 
Other references and mentions:
> Compensation in DAOs with Tracheopteryx on the Collectively Intelligent Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/compensation-in-daos-with-tracheopteryx/id1577798978?i=1000538952056 
> Helium: https://www.helium.com/technology  
> Colony: distributed organizations that actually work - with Aron Fischer and Jack du Rose: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/colony/  
> Moving beyond coin voting governance by Vitalik Buterin: https://vitalik.ca/general/2021/08/16/voting3.html 
> Blue Sky Project: https://blueskyweb.xyz/ 
> Thirsty Thirsty: https://www.thirstythirsty.org/  
> Ronald Coase, The Nature of the Firm, 1937: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1468-0335.1937.tb00002.x 
Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/
 
Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music
 
Recorded on 3 June 2022.

S3 Ep. 16 Rob Solomon – Building permissionless Ecosystems: Data and infrastructure at DIMO

Today we’re joined by former guest to the show, Rob Solomon, a cofounder at DIMO, a blockchain enabled IoT protocol for mobility. His background is in finance, investing, and organizational design. Most recently, he worked at Consensys, the largest Ethereum focused development company, with a focus on finance, internal economics, and decentralizing the organization. Prior to that, he was at Vroom, a pioneer in the online used-car marketplace sector. He started his career at the Downtown Project in Las Vegas (a spinoff of Zappos.com) working on investments and implementing holacracy.  
 
Tune in to this episode as we discuss the latest developments in Rob’s work since he last spoke on the podcast, how DIMO is like building a city from scratch, understanding the main functions of an organization, and why the future is bright for DIMO. 
 
A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website:
https://boundaryless.io/podcast/rob-solomon/ ‎
 
 
Key highlights we discussed:
> DIMO’s infrastructure and open-source technology
> Creating an organisation with permissionless contributions 
> The role of data unions in managing decentralized data ownership
> Defining decentralized organizing and DIMO’s ecosystem
> Redefining the thesis of ownership and incentives
> Raising capital for a Web3 project
 
To find out more about DIMO and Rob’s work:
> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertsolomon1/ 
> Twitter: https://twitter.com/robmsolomon 
> Website: https://dimo.zone/ 
> Application: https://app.dimo.zone/ 
> Written documentation on how DIMO works and the token: https://docs.dimo.zone/dimo-overview/overview/what-is-dimo 
 
Other references and mentions:
 
> Software and Protocols for a new way of Organizing — with Bryan Peters, Rob Solomon & Sascha Kellert: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/bryan-peters-and-sascha-kellert-and-rob-solomon/
> DIMO Podcast – Podcast #1: Rob Solomon & Kacy Qua: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gno-bhNHxGk
Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/
 
Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music
 
Recorded on 17 May 2022.

S3 Ep. 15 Phoebe Tickell – Growing Institutional Imagination Capacity and Collective Intelligence in a Complex World

Phoebe Tickell is a biologist and systems thinker developing methodologies and approaches  suited for a better world. She is an innovator with a background in the biological sciences, technology, social entrepreneurship and systems design. She left the scientific academy with the knowledge that an understanding of complex systems could be applied to real world pressing issues and that bridges were needed to stretch from theory to practice. 
She works across multiple societal contexts applying a complexity and systems thinking lens and has worked in organisational design, advised government, the education sector and the food and farming sector. She is a co-founder of the DGov Foundation – a community of distributed governance practitioners – and Member of Enspiral, a community that innovates in decentralising power and developing decentralised tools and technologies to do so. She also created Moral Imaginations in 2020 to push the frontier of research and implementation of research-backed collective imagination exercises and training to inspire change and find new solutions in an era of unprecedented disruption and potential for transformation.
It’s clear that society needs direction when it comes to change, and in today’s episode we explore how imagination gives us the ability to think beyond traditional frames. Join us as we delve into training a new breed of activists, mapping unintended consequences, how to coordinate at a massive scale – and accounting for future generations with the choices that we make.  
 
A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/phoebe-tickell/
 
Key highlights we discussed:
> Why imagination has become central to building the future
> The moral elements of new ways of organising
> How diverse teams or communities can work from shared principles
> Why we need to stay connected to our local communities
> Why coordination is not ‘everything’ for DAOs 
 
To find out more about Phoebe’s work:
> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/phoebetickell/ 
> Twitter: https://twitter.com/solarpunk_girl 
> Website: http://www.phoebetickell.com/ 
> Moral Imaginations: https://www.moralimaginations.com/ 
> Moral Imaginations Twitter: https://twitter.com/moral_imagining 
> Moral Imaginations Substack: https://moralimaginations.substack.com/ 
 
Other references and mentions:
 
> Indy Johar, A Development Future: https://medium.com/hub-engine/a-developmental-future-21bf6412625e  
> The Manifesto for Moral Imagination: https://medium.com/moral-imaginations/a-manifesto-for-moral-imagination-dbf62f0cb7aa 
> Trans-contextual Organizing: Shifting Perceptions — with Nora Bateson: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/nora-bateson/ 
> Daniel Schmachtenberger: https://civilizationemerging.com/about/ 
> Kevin Owocki, The Green Pill, with Phoebe Tickell: https://greenpill.substack.com/p/12-solarpunk-girl-phoebe-tickell?s=r 
> L. M. Sacasas – Building a convivial society: autonomy, tools, scale and capabilities: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/l-m-sacasas/
> MetaGov: https://metagov.org/
> Colony: distributed organizations that actually work – with Aron Fischer and Jack du Rose: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/colony/
> Samantha Slay, Going Horizontal: https://goinghorizontal.co/ 
> New Citizenship Project: https://www.newcitizenship.org.uk/
 
Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/
 
Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music
 
Recorded on 19 April 2022.